Teaching C++ with BCB ..

[John]

In my opinion (and probably in your's as well), in the professional
community, the BCB and Borland are not associated with integrity,
ability, reliability anymore. I wonder if there is any University or any
other education institution out there still using Borland C++ Builder
(BCB) for teaching C++ programming.

Does your uni/school use any Borland product in teaching?

[Duane Hebert]

Post by John
Does your uni/school use any Borland product in teaching?

I've never heard of any university using Borland tools (or MS for that matter).
My university used Unix based tools (GCC/G++/TCL/TK/OpenGL) and a quick poll
of my colleagues showed the same thing. But then again, the GUI projects that
I did in school were some database interfaces using TCL. I believe that I had
one project to do on the NT systems and that was some socket stuff that was
required to run as console apps, and this was only because the admin guys didn't
want students screwing up the Solaris network <g>

[Remy Lebeau (TeamB)]

Post by Duane Hebert
I've never heard of any university using Borland tools (or MS for that matter).

My college had BCB available. I don't know if it is actually used in the
classes, since I never took them, but it was availabe on the Lab machines.


Gambit

[Duane Hebert]

Post by Remy Lebeau (TeamB)
My college had BCB available. I don't know if it is actually used in the
classes, since I never took them, but it was availabe on the Lab machines.

Cool. Where do you live? I took classes in Boston,
Albany and did my bac in Montreal. I never saw anything
but Unix in school.

It would have been nice to have been exposed
to windows at university. Unfortunately, most of my
teachers were windows bashers. We had to use
latex to do our docs, even if we had access to Word
for example. I found that sort of weird but ...

[t***@bellsouth.net]

On the Georgia campuses of DeVry University we use BCB6 to teach our C++
Windows programming as well as our intro to C++ class. In several other
hardware courses, the students are given their choice of BCB, g++ or MS
Visual C++. I find that the learning curve is at least a 10 to 1 in favor of
BCB in the Windows programming class. Check out my COMP 217, COMP 270 and
CET 375 courses at: http://www.atl.devry.edu/tcloud/

Post by John
In my opinion (and probably in your's as well), in the professional
community, the BCB and Borland are not associated with integrity, ability,
reliability anymore. I wonder if there is any University or any other
education institution out there still using Borland C++ Builder (BCB) for
teaching C++ programming.
Does your uni/school use any Borland product in teaching?

[Mr. Bunny]

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:23:03 +1000, John wrote:
Documented research indicate that on Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:23:03 +1000, John

Post by John
In my opinion (and probably in your's as well), in the professional
community, the BCB and Borland are not associated with integrity,
ability, reliability anymore. I wonder if there is any University or any
other education institution out there still using Borland C++ Builder
(BCB) for teaching C++ programming.
Does your uni/school use any Borland product in teaching?

The school I went to in Denmark teached C++ using only BCB. They had MS
Studio .net, but didn't teach it, except for a 3 month course to explain
how to do things differently in VC++ than BCB, and how to use .net.

The majority of the first 2 years you don't do anything using GUI, so it
doesn't really matter much what you use anyway. Once you start doing GUI
apps you're expected to use BCB, but is free to use VC if you want to. On
the 3rd year you code on Linux (using GCC and Vi I believe), and the 4th
and final year it's whatever you need to get the job done (one of the
courses still teaches you how to make your own language, so it uses
assembler).

I never finished 2nd year though ... fell in love and moved to Canada...

Personally, I find making GUI in BCB alot easier than VC, but I grew up
with Basic, and have taught myself Visual Basic, Java, and PHP, so I'm not
super at C++ anyway...

[Brian]

Hi,
Just seen your post. I have used CBuilder4 with my A level (Pre university) students for many years. I start with console apps and then move on to "Windows" apps. I think it is far easier to use BCB than MS products. It is reliable and inexpensive.

In the UK, universities teach java in the first year and then move to C++. Ex-students of mine always say how easy they find the java and the C++ as they learned so well on CBuilder.

I use v6 for any programs I need to write for the school.

Long live CBuilder!

Brian

Post by Mr. Bunny
Documented research indicate that on Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:23:03 +1000, John

Post by John
In my opinion (and probably in your's as well), in the professional
community, the BCB and Borland are not associated with integrity,
ability, reliability anymore. I wonder if there is any University or any
other education institution out there still using Borland C++ Builder
(BCB) for teaching C++ programming.
Does your uni/school use any Borland product in teaching?

The school I went to in Denmark teached C++ using only BCB. They had MS
Studio .net, but didn't teach it, except for a 3 month course to explain
how to do things differently in VC++ than BCB, and how to use .net.
The majority of the first 2 years you don't do anything using GUI, so it
doesn't really matter much what you use anyway. Once you start doing GUI
apps you're expected to use BCB, but is free to use VC if you want to. On
the 3rd year you code on Linux (using GCC and Vi I believe), and the 4th
and final year it's whatever you need to get the job done (one of the
courses still teaches you how to make your own language, so it uses
assembler).
I never finished 2nd year though ... fell in love and moved to Canada...
Personally, I find making GUI in BCB alot easier than VC, but I grew up
with Basic, and have taught myself Visual Basic, Java, and PHP, so I'm not
super at C++ anyway...
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